PBID Is Dead: Don’t Feel the Pressure to Sign Petition

TeamPBID pressures property owners into signing petitions. Is that how PBID is going to work in La Mesa? Is that how we will build a unified community?

It's no surprise that TeamPBID will be out in full force to try to resuscitate PBID. 

  •    Expect a knock on your door
  •    Expect a personal face-to-face visit
  •    Expect high pressure to make you sign the petition.

But you don't have to change your mind.  You can be assured that a huge number of your neighbors have already made their decision NOT to support PBID.

Let's face the fact:  PBID is DEAD. 

It has a DNR order.

Let's learn from our mistakes.

1) Make contact with everyone within the district BEFORE committee work.

2) Bring everyone to the negotiation table.

3) Be open to suggestions, criticisms, and concerns of the plan.

4) Allow the plan to change to fit the needs of our community.

5) Be aware of current economic stresses. (what the market can bear)

After Saturday's coming together event, let's come back to the table and work out  a plan that everyone can be proud of.  We ain't there yet.

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Craig Maxwell February 15, 2012 at 06:50 PM
A much needed reminder, Deena. Thank you. Thankfully, the PBID is dead. But let's not forget that Zombies can still be deadly! Say NO to the PBID!
Batman February 16, 2012 at 05:49 PM
Of course we need PBID, because Jimmy Wieboldt needs a job.
Batman February 16, 2012 at 08:16 PM
He needs money so he can run for mayor again.
Heather Fox February 17, 2012 at 04:19 AM
Zombies are def. deadly :)
Things I Learned February 17, 2012 at 02:52 PM
Even PBID supporters think the PBID is deadly.
Heather Fox February 17, 2012 at 05:23 PM
Heather Fox February 17, 2012 at 05:24 PM
Thanks SM I knew you would chime in eventually.
Things I Learned February 17, 2012 at 05:32 PM
Heather Fox 9:24 am Things I Learned 9:27 am
Heather Fox February 17, 2012 at 05:51 PM
Like is said Simple Minds
Things I Learned February 17, 2012 at 05:57 PM
Kevin George February 17, 2012 at 05:59 PM
"I told myself I wouldn't comment on anything on the PATCH anymore because EVERYTHING that is on this site is NEGATIVE." Heather Fox , 2/8/12
Things I Learned February 17, 2012 at 06:03 PM
Things I Learned 9:57 am KG 9:59 am
Komfort February 17, 2012 at 06:04 PM
Things I Learned February 17, 2012 at 06:07 PM
Thanks AM I knew you would chime in eventually.
Heather Fox February 18, 2012 at 12:23 AM
same person different alias
Things I Learned February 18, 2012 at 12:51 AM
La Mesa PBID Supporters February 18, 2012 at 03:30 AM
Those who support the La Mesa PBID want the public to know that the PBID is NOT dead! Those who support the PBID are continuing their daily outreach in educating merchants, business owners, residents and the general public every day and providing the pure, honest facts This plan was developed under the guidance of an incredibly diverse volunteer group who have always had the best interest of La Mesa at heart when making their decisions. The PBID Management plan CAN change at the discretion of the City Council if enough petitions garner the support of further review and revision. Signing the PBID petition does not formalize a Property Owner’s decision. Simply put, it brings the PBID under further discussion by the La Mesa City Council with public input; that’s why signing the PBID petition is important! We encourage all to visit www.downtownlamesa.org to check out the most frequently asked questions, see the management plan and read numerous articles on PBIDs and the wonderful things they can provide a city, especially La Mesa Village. A link to all PBID Formation Committee minutes and agendas can be found there as well. Please feel free to email any questions to lamesaneedsapbid@gmail.com – we look forward to hearing from you!
Deena While February 18, 2012 at 06:34 AM
Fact: In order to prevent the PBID from running amok, it needs to be stopped at the petition phase when the most support needs to be gathered, a majority of the TOTAL budget. In the next phase, the balloting phase, PBID can pass much easier, where only a majority of ballots returned will pass it. Further, in the comment above from La Mesa PBID Supporters, you are asked to sign the petition with a 'kiss of a promise' that the plan can change. Really? Would you sign a contract if you didn't agree to all that is written in the contract? Nope, I wouldn't either. City council is expected to discuss/vote on their portion of PBID at the next meeting on Tuesday, February 28 at 6pm. I hope droves and droves of people come out and show support of NO PBID. Even if you don't want to speak, at least come support us.
Craig Maxwell February 18, 2012 at 04:51 PM
Supporters practice pro-PBID propaganda: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OolIRm0MI6I
Bill Jaynes February 18, 2012 at 06:30 PM
Happy Presidents Day weekend, L.M.P.B.I.D.S.! Can you believe that Monday is the anniversary of the first secret meeting of the PBID Formation Committee? Well, it would have been if Ken hadn't sniffed it out and forced the City to fess up. How time flies, huh? I remember thinking as I walked down that unlit hallway and into the cubbyhole where the meeting was held, outside the proposed district and at the tail end of a national holiday, "Boy, the City Manager wasn't kidding when he said this 'gathering... isn't intended to accomodate a lot of people." http://lamesa.patch.com/articles/business-improvement-district-panel-including-mayor-madrid-meets-tonight Anyway, L.M.P.B.I.D.S., I'm surprised to see you suggest the only effect of signing the petitions is to bring "the PBID under further discussion by the La Mesa City Council with public input". Don't we have that ability right now? Or do you concede that meaningful public input has been lacking thus far in the process? I know you support pure, honest facts, L.M.P.B.I.D.S., and you think I don't. I assume that's why you've said things such as, "Unlike Mr. Jaynes, PBID supporters don’t fear the intellect of business-savvy property and business owners to recognize a smart business decision when it is presented to them." http://lamesa.patch.com/blog_posts/pbid-critic-exercise-your-right-to-not-petition-your-government With that in mind, may I ask you a few questions, L.M.P.B.I.D.S.? (cont.)
Bill Jaynes February 18, 2012 at 06:56 PM
1. Is there a box you can check on the petition to indicate that you only want to "garner the support of further review and revision"? I only see a "YES" box. 2. In the past you've stated, "we urge ALL property owners to return their ballots, either for or against PBID establishment." As above, where is the box on the petition to check if you are against the PBID? I don't see one, which makes me wonder what impression you are trying to leave in people's minds. 3. You indicate a willingness, L.M.P.B.I.D.S., to address our requests for "further review and revision". Do we then really have to force this process into a formal setting, like a City Council meeting (or other venue), just to go back to the drawing board? 4. I've suggested that people--you call them "stakeholders"--should not return their petitions if they are concerned about the structural unfairness of a scheme that potentially allows 9 large property owners to decide the fates of over 200 small properties that house the mom-and-pop stores and the residents who make the Village special. (BTW, the municipal properties alone account for almost 1 out of 6 votes, or nearly ONE THIRD of the votes needed to push "PBID" through.) I've warned that, based upon my experience to date, the only chance to force meaningful changes is before the petitions are signed, because, as Deena notes above, once they are signed, "PBID" is a fait accompli. You dispute that, L.M.P.B.I.D.S., but do you know who agrees with me?
Bill Jaynes February 18, 2012 at 07:19 PM
On August 19, 2010, Ed Henning, the PBID Assessment Engineer hired with parking meter monies nominally dedicated to "fund[ing] downtown improvements", had an interesting exchange with a member of City Staff. Apparently responding to a question about timelines and the certainty of "PBID's" passing, Mr. Henning wrote to this staffer about the petition phase, "For assurance, I'm not aware of a PBID that has cleared the 50% threshold that hasn't also received a favorable vote at the Prop 218 ballot stage. A few of that "other" consultant's PBIDs where he has set up a Charter City PBID authority that lowers the petition threshold to 30%, have come very close when the ballots are cast but not when there's a 50% petition requirement." Do you dispute the historical experience and expertise of your own project engineer, L.M.P.B.I.D.S., or do you now agree that we should restore confidence and heal wounds in the Village by starting afresh? I've uploaded the full email above. Keep in mind when you read it, that this email was written back during the secret meetings of 2010, when the City was still pretending that the Streetscape Project hinged upon "PBID" and City Staffers were openly discussing whether they could trust the Committee with "confidential" documents. As you know, this stance has since been repudiated in open Council, and the two are officially de-linked, even though some advocates--surely not you, L.M.P.B.I.D.S.--continue to gloss over that fact.
Things I Learned February 18, 2012 at 10:48 PM
Things I Learned February 19, 2012 at 12:52 AM
Thanks JW I knew you would chime in eventually.
Bill Jaynes February 19, 2012 at 05:21 AM
I can't tell if you're pulling my leg, Jason, but yes, that is essentially what I am saying. The ONLY way to force any meaningful changes to "PBID" at this late date is to stop and start over with something reasonable. Otherwise we will be stuck forever with this backroom originated tax scheme/de facto rezoning, a shadowy "Property Owner's Association" that drops even the pretense of open meetings that the Formation Committee at least paid lip service to, and 5% annual tax increases until one of two things occurs: either corporate entities turn the Village into another Gaslamp (one of the stated goals) or these 100 year old buildings sit vacant like Downtown El Cajon (believe it or not, another "role model") where it looks like a neutron bomb went off. As to your question below, yes I am a little disappointed that the Team never seems to get back to me--except to call me a liar or a nut case--but I remain hopeful that will change, if not now, then the next time around. After some honest self-assessment as to what went wrong, after a stake is driven through the heart of "PBID", maybe it will be possible to come together, allow for meaningful participation, and work toward a serious solution. Bill Jaynes ALL THINGS BRIGHT AND BRITISH 619 464 2298 (located at the corner of 4th and La Mesa for 30+ years)
Craig Maxwell February 20, 2012 at 09:59 PM
PBID people less than fully candid? You don't say? Shocking! After all, the PBID was Art Madrid's idea, and we all know what a paragon of virtue he is. Right?


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