Here’s a Petition You’re Gonna Want to Sign!

Please sign this petition to end the PBID petition phase. It’s the first step in bringing our Village together again.

Well, as we all know, the PBID petition has been out since the beginning of January.  To our chagrin we learned at the last City Council meeting the petition phase can continue indefinitely — PBID Professional Ed Henning said he’s seen PBID petitions run 18 months; further Ed said there is no law within PBID that requires a deadline on the petition phase. 

La Mesa doesn't need PBID dividing the Village any longer.  So here’s a solution, a new petition, if you will.  This one is designed to end the PBID Petition. 


We, the concerned citizens in and around La Mesa Village, request that the PBID
Petition Phase end on Friday, March 30, 2012.  Further, we request that the final results of the petition phase be brought before the city council meeting of Tuesday, April 24.

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Please show your support of this petition by commenting.  Your comment will serve as your signature in support of this petition. 

For those who are shy about signing this petition on Patch, petitions are also available for signature at:

  • All Things Bright and British 8401 La Mesa Blvd.
  • Maxwell's House of Books 8285 La Mesa Blvd.
  • Readers, Inc. 8219 La Mesa Blvd.

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Deena While March 09, 2012 at 08:38 PM
I wonder what happened to the stores? Hardware Stores? HomeDepot Stationary Store? Office Depot Shoe Store? WalMart It had nothing to do with quaint La Mesa Village. This village survives by bunching together unique one-of-a-kind stores, most of which aren't affected by the big department stores. Why don't you see that?
hearmeblow March 09, 2012 at 08:49 PM
I have no desire to get rid of anybody specifically. And no I am not the new PR guy. But I am a longtime resident and homeowner in La Mesa. I like the way downtown looks. It is an improvement. And it does enure to the benefit of the business community. And there are plenty of businesses that will thrive with the PBID. In fact, I suspect that many of you may do so. But you are going to have to be business people first to do so. That means adapting, changing with the times and adjusting your business model. Happens all the time in the real world. What do you think they teach in MBA classes? Otherwise, get your banners and Occupy La Mesa Boulevard.
Kevin George March 09, 2012 at 09:18 PM
Hey blow, that "What do you think they teach in MBA classes?" sound mighty familiar. Those exact words were used months ago, so you have assumed a new alias. I'll have to go back and see if you were posting under your real name then. Ya you didn't " specify" individual businesses, so what?
hearmeblow March 09, 2012 at 10:03 PM
No inversion. You are all busy at work complaining and nothing more as I far as I can tell. Put your shoulders into it and sow the seeds of success in the fertile soil of La Mesa Boulevard. If you can't grow a crop, there are others who can and will.
Kevin George March 09, 2012 at 10:33 PM
You left " hard" off your name.
Things I Learned March 10, 2012 at 12:08 AM
Contemplate this on the PBID of woe.
Jenna Zeledon March 10, 2012 at 05:45 PM
Kyla, it's important to note that the petition phase was not recently extended to last an indefinite amount of time... that's the state law and has been that way for years. In picking Ed Henning's brain one day he mentioned that typical petition phases last anywhere between 4-6 months alone... La Mesa isn't unique in this aspect of the PBID. In my opinion, if Deena feels the PBID should have a set petition phase/timeline her best bet is to contact her State Assemblymen and see what he thinks. No one is being "counseled" nor are those who are for the PBID trying to pressure anyone... opponents have said a lot of false information (which I've covered via comments in multiple blog posts on here) and those for the PBID have merely tried to dissolve any misinformation and present the facts as honestly as possible. If you know the facts and the truths and still don't feel like the PBID is the best bet for you as a property owner? That's totally fine! That's why we're a democratic nation. From what I see, those who are against the PBID are largely business owners, not the owners of the properties they rent space from.
Things I Learned March 10, 2012 at 06:12 PM
Deena While March 10, 2012 at 06:38 PM
The PBID Management Plan displays a table with the PBID assessments for the five years. The PBID Management Plan shows the rates increasing each year -- it wasn't the opponents spreading mis-information.
Scott H. Kidwell March 10, 2012 at 06:45 PM
I'm not sure but I thought I read somewhere in the law that even if the PBID passes it also gives the same voters the power to reduce or repeal any existing local tax, assessment, or charge through an initiative process.
Deena While March 10, 2012 at 06:50 PM
Jenna, As it's been said by many, many people, just because it is legal doesn't make it right. It is not right to keep the polls open until we have arrived at the result we want. Everyone has voted. They don't want this PBID. Yes people are being counseled and PRESSURED. Talk to the church who originally was against the PBID. They said they couldn't afford it. They didn't feel it would benefit them. That's what I call being PRESSURED into changing your mind. What false information? The 5% increase was directly taken from the PBID Management Plan where a schedule of rates for the next 5 years was displayed showing a 5% increase each year.
Craig Maxwell March 10, 2012 at 07:26 PM
Although Jenna is right about the legality of the PBID timeline--the same point was emphasized by Ed Henning at the last council meeting--please note that this amounts to nothing more than a rather unabashed concession that, in their case, might makes right; that the law's on their side, and that the rest of us should just get used to it. I had a hunch in the beginning that it would come to this. Thus the personal story I told the council about my own family's experience with fully legal, government supported and sanctioned injustice. Yes, it really happens; and when it does, what chance does the average citizen have in his showdown with Leviathan? Let's be frank: next to none. Government can, and sometimes does, very bad things under the cover of law--things that are quite legal, but completely immoral--and it's ordinary citizens like you and me who suffer. Now, to know Art Madrid is to know his indifference to the morality of this matter--he just want's to win, and will do whatever it takes to win. Is Jenna the same kind of person?--I don't know. But the council seems receptive to some of the broader ethical concerns built into the facts of this case; let's continue to "appeal to the better angels of [their] nature," cross our fingers, and hope for a just outcome.
Bill Jaynes March 10, 2012 at 07:41 PM
Hi Jenna! I agree with you that many of the mom-and-pop businesses who give the Village its character are opposed to "PBID". They used to be called stakeholders. What happened? Anyway, since you have a line to Ed Henning--the project engineer paid from our parking meter money advertised as "funding downtown improvements", would you mind asking him a few questions? He hasn't spoken to me since I asked him why he advised a paid City employee to have the PBID Committee members train their cameras on me. (Or was it after I asked whom he referred to as a "voyeur", Ken Stone or me? Maybe it was my question about his behind the scenes advice to announce a Committee member's resignation and downsize the Committee in such a way that nobody could apply for the vacant seat?) Here's my first question: Many of us have held that "PBID"'s boundaries are not the product of meaningful input by the Committee and lack any rationale other than political--how best to squeeze the most money out of us without jeopardizing the desired outcome. We don't think the boundaries serve any organic purpose and reflect neither geography, topography, or natural Village traffic flow. We believe that when proponents say that if they lose, they will simply adjust the boundaries, that they are tacitly admitting to gerrymandering. We believe that the process to date has been "client" centered, but that we are not the clients. So when Ed Henning wrote to Chris Gonzales on March 31, 2011...
Bill Jaynes March 10, 2012 at 07:55 PM
"I had the chance to take a closer look at the Henry's farmer market property in the field last week and it would certainly be a nice addition and anchor for the Village and a PBID, but being on the very periphery - it reads somewhat like the Von's Center which would be nice to have but any potential opposition or even non-commitment would hurt the statistics of garnering majority support." a) What do you think Ed Henning meant by "very periphery"? That sure sounds like Mr. Henning questioned how closely people identify Henry's with the Village. b) Do you agree with Mr. Henning that "being on the very periphery - [Henry's] reads somewhat like the Von's Center"? c) Would you ask Mr. Henning what engineering rationale his email offers? It sounds to me more like he is discussing the political consequences of such an inclusion/exclusion. d) Would you ask Mr. Henning why he was discussing the political aspects, if such he was, with a salaried City employee who's ostensible job is mere "facilitation" on behalf of the Committee? I will upload the email above for your inspection. Please let me know if you hear from Mr. Henning as I have more emails to ask him about. Bill Jaynes All Things Bright and British 619-464-2298
Craig Maxwell March 10, 2012 at 11:08 PM
Good questions, Bill. I'll look forward to reading the answers.
Things I Learned March 11, 2012 at 12:20 AM
Jenna Zeledon March 12, 2012 at 04:47 PM
Deena I've proven the false information that has been put out there time and again... you won't even go on the record as to if you were or weren't involved in the letter that I posted for all to see full of blatantly false and twisted words. You've read my comments on other blogs I'm sure. A 5% cap at the MAXIMUM is not the same as an automatic 5% increase; Those on the formation committee said time and again they wanted to avoid increases at all costs. If the monies budgeted weren't used, they can be put into other categories or reserves... and if the PBID did pass and wasn't renewed or the budget lowered when the 5 year mark would come, people would get refunds! Do you have proof of pressure? Maybe the church upon learning the facts and the truth about the PBID felt it would benefit them, who's to say - I'm not a mind reader. People continue to ask for more information and great questions all the time... plenty of people haven't made up their minds; at the end of the day this is a business decision. Aren't you a resident of El Cajon? Perhaps you could contact Brian Jones (http://arc.asm.ca.gov/member/77/) and see if he can help get your concerns brought to the State's attention.
Jenna Zeledon March 12, 2012 at 04:53 PM
Bill, I think your questions should be directed to Mr. Henning... I am not a mind reader and I don't have a "direct line" to Ed. Sometimes it helps to talk in person to gauge what a person intendeds to say/means vs. dissecting written words. I know it does for me :) Hopefully you're able to get your inquiries answered whenever he is in town next.
Deena While March 12, 2012 at 05:23 PM
Jenna, I don't think you have proven anything. Please let me know what mis-information has been spread. Speaking of mis-information, Ha Ha! When was it discussed that people would get refunds? When election day comes people need to vote. If they don't vote they either don't know or don't care, but the time ends. That's what we want with this PBID. It is silly for us all to sit here and wait, and wait, forever. Maybe I will pursue the PBID law with politicians, but right now I'm trying to save my little village and this great city.
Bill Jaynes March 12, 2012 at 05:35 PM
Thanks Jenna Some of the emails touched on the Auerbach assessments so I thought I'd give you first crack at them since Ed doesn't respond to me any more. Still, may I have your thoughts on two of these matters, though: Per Ed Henning: "I had the chance to take a closer look at the Henry's farmer market property in the field last week and it would certainly be a nice addition and anchor for the Village and a PBID, but being on the very periphery - it reads somewhat like the Von's Center which would be nice to have but any potential opposition or even non-commitment would hurt the statistics of garnering majority support." 1) Speaking strictly as a layperson, doesn't it sound like the discussion whether to include Henry's hinged on a concern as to whether potential opposition might "tank" the numbers needed for TeamPBID victory? 2) Would you agree with Mr. Henning's opinion that,like Henry's, Vons is on the "very periphery'? I know you follow politics. Surely you have some thoughts on these matters that don't require Mr. Henning's input. What say you as a La Mesa Citizen? Finally, I find the assessment formula to be unnecessarily complicated, being broken down as it is between street frontage, building and and lot footage. Would you enlighten me as to how that works and why not just come up with some simpler calculations like most other PBIDs use? Bill Jaynes All Things Bright and British 619-464-2298
Jenna Zeledon March 12, 2012 at 05:49 PM
Hi Jason, Actually, I have the day off today :) Thanks for trying to read into my personal life, though! Personally, I think it's a pretty petty and ridiculous comment for someone to make. And yes, I do speak solely as a resident unless otherwise stated. I suggest you read through the blogs and my comments.... you'll find plenty of instances where I've attempted to diffuse misinformation. Personally, I have better things to do than find them for you, but it's all there, black and white. Were you at the meetings? I clearly remember hearing time and again that at all costs the PBID's general budget was being created realistically to avoid an increase - the 5% cap is simply state law that it could go upwards of that, but no more. I think the committee was realistic when crunching the numbers.
Jenna Zeledon March 12, 2012 at 06:06 PM
I did answer... were you unable to understand my words? What part of my answer needs clarification? The increase, if any, would be up to the Board of Directors. Maybe if it passes you could finally reveal who you are and perhaps join it? It's not like the Formation Committee came up with the 5% increase clause on their own, as I said it's merely a part of the State's laws regarding PBIDs. And with that, I'm off to enjoy this beautiful day and heading into the village in a bit. I hope you have an absolutely wonderful day, "Jason". Hopefully you're as lucky as I am to be able to spend the day not working :)
Things I Learned March 12, 2012 at 06:20 PM
It is something of an art to decant without overly diffusing.
Things I Learned March 12, 2012 at 06:50 PM
Jenna Zeledon March 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM
Deena as I've reiterated and said on multiple occasions, I've commented on multiple blog posts pointing out numerous examples of misinformation. What do you not understand about that? I'm sure you've read the comments and my points... I've asked you direct questions more than a handful of times and you either a) ignore them and not respond or b) one of your friends do. And yes, the fact that refunds would be given to property owners if the budget were lowered or the PBID was not renewed was discussed multiple times. Did I say something that was laughable? I believe you attended most, if not all of the meetings if memory serves me correctly. Additionally, the budget gives the cost if there was a 5% increases, however as I've said and as you know, it is in no way automatic and any increase would be at the sole discretion of the board. If they spend less money, it goes into a reserve and at the 5 year mark the budget could be reconfigured. This has been reiterated many times. Does your property owner who you lease space from support the PBID? If they do, do you know if for certain they would pass along the special assessment? Wouldn't it increase their property value if their property was located in a nicer area that is maintained at a high level of service? Wouldn't you, a self proclaimed struggling business benefit from additional marketing and resources? To me, it adds up.... houses in nicer areas go more than houses in ill-maintained or aging areas, right?
Jimmy Sanders March 12, 2012 at 11:11 PM
How many times has College Grove shopping center been remodeled, had big dollars spent on it, invested in significant advertising, attracted big retailers and yet it limps along year after year as retailers come and go. The theory that the investment in upgrades, proposed by the formation of a PBID, will work is just that-a theory. The closest similar live redevelopment example I can see is downtown El Cajon which has shown to be an expensive ongoing experiment. Sure it looks great but it does not seem to generate much retail traffic as big name retailers come and go. I'm sure we all want the Village to remain viable-but at what cost and to whom?
Things I Learned March 12, 2012 at 11:27 PM
Deena While March 13, 2012 at 02:07 PM
Nope, I have not heard that refunds would be given -- that is laughable. My landlord is against the PBID. The costs will be passed through in the form of higher rents. He is concerned about the rentability of his property. Have you noticed how long buildings remain empty these days? That is the economy we live in. That is a concern for landlords. Property management companies have no skin in the game. You, Jenna, will not have to pay one penny toward this PBID. So step back and LISTEN to those of us who WILL PAY. (Like the tenants in your shopping center! they are talking, are you listening?) WE are not in favor of PBID. WE would like to see a smaller cost...are you listening? PBID is DEAD. Let's start over with a better focus on what the affected businesses want.
Craig Maxwell March 13, 2012 at 03:03 PM
An unfamiliar sound is heard, And out we run to see: A drunken mayor on the curb, Blowing chowder in the street 'Twas on that day that many learned, Not all is well at city hall, And loud dissent soon was heard, About Art's Technicolor yawn The farce goes on in different forms, Today it wears another face, But Property Based Improvement District Is just another mayoral disgrace
FEEDA April 27, 2012 at 08:04 PM
La Mesans love La Mesa. "Improving and protecting our city" has been the rallying cry for every single increase in costs to the citizens and shoppers of our lovely little town. It has ususally worked! But, the improvements never happen; somehow the increased revenues wind up in the pcokets of...well... NOT The merchants. PBID needs to be o-v-e-r. Of COURSE it's a tax. For heaven's sake!! Let our leaders did a little deeper into monies which have ALREADY been raised & collected for what they now claim they need PBID funds for. Our precious home, La Mesa, has a bunch of BS artists running its affairs. Enough of this baloney, already.


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